after almost 15yrs my plex server is no more. jellyfin behind nginx with authentik is running very nicely.

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    Congrats. I’m super particular about covers and naming and the conversion of file names that Plex needed to jellyfin is intensive.

    I finally got got JF up and running but still working on adding edition names to each item that is special. I really wish there was an editions field so it wasn’t a manual title update. At least I can lock the field afterwards.

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    I just wanna get rid of Plex so bad but jellyfin isn’t going to work for my grandma…

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    I just got Authentik / Traefik going for Navidrome, Jellyfin is next.

    Does it play well for the mobile applications? If you use them?

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      the ldap auth works great for the apps. apps dont play well with an oidc login process. i ended up using both, oidc for web and ldap fall back for applications. made it easier for my non tech inclined users. most of the current apps also support quick connect, like the plex link process. you auth on a web browser and enter a code into the app. so it’s possible to use only oidc for log in and, i believe it should be possible use css to even hide the user name and password fields.

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    Does jellyfin do untranscoded video/audio?

    Haven’t used it in years but finally building up my media server again and I remember it had some funky settings for hardware encoding back then which I didn’t need because I was connecting to it via a repurposed gaming laptop that could easily handle 4k content and surround sound by itself.

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      I use jellyfin for unencoded audio and video on my clients that support it like my newer television, but I also use transcoded audio video on things that can’t handle the higher codecs like the raspberry pi.

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    I want to leave too, but I really like PlexAmp for my music streaming. And no, Finamp doesn’t work nearly as well or look as nice.

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        Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll try them out. One thing that I hate is critical for me is integration with Android auto. It’s the last Google service I can’t seem to quit. Might have to give up and just roll with Bluetooth instead.

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          symfonium has been mentioned in this post before specifically for android auto. i had the same hang up with apple car play. i didn’t use most of the plexamp fancy features. i just wanted it to play music and be easy to use when driving. manet finally came along for ios. though i’m still hoping one of the open source apps adds the functionality later.

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    I’ve been using jellyfin for years.

    My best recommendation is DELAY UPDATES and back up before you update.

    I have a history of updates breaking everything so you should be careful about them.

    All software recommends backing up before an update, but for jellyfin the shit is real, you really want to back up.

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      I’ve been using jelly since just after the emby fork and never had an update issue on docker. Automatic snapshots every 5 mins (amoung other backup tools). means I don’t need to worry much if it does.

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        I have it on docker with two volumes, ./config and ./cache

        I back up those before each update.

        A bad Jellyfin update should not mess with your media folder in anyway. Though you should have backups of those aswell as a rule of thumb.

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          With respect to the media, you can mount the volume as read only, preventing Jellyfin from accidentally wiping your underlying content.

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        the config and databases or the media, you mean?

        if so, the former, but I mount the meadia with a read only docker volume just to be sure, because chances are I would never notice it

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      Jellyfin still so buggy though. The UI is garbage too. I want to love it… I run both lol.

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      I can backup an entire VM snapshot very quickly and then restore it in a matter of minutes. Everything from the system files, database, Jellyfin version and configs, etc. All easily backed up and restored in an easy to manage bundle.

      A container is not as easy to manage in the same way.

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        VMs can also be live migrated to another server in the cluster with no downtime and backups don’t need to take the VM down to do their thing. If in the future you want to move to physical hardware, you can use something like Clonezilla to back it up (not needed often, but still, something to consider).

        Both have their places, but those factors are the main ones that come into play of when I want to use a VM or LXC.

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          It’s not the same. You then need to manage volumes separately from images, or if you’re mounting a host folder for the Jellyfin files then you have to manage those separately via the host.

          Container images are supposed to be stateless. So then if you’re only banking up the volumes, then you need to somehow track which Jellyfin version it’s tied to, in case you run into any issues.

          A VM is literally all of that but in a much more complete package.

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      honestly every explanation probably just ends at ‘this is what i learned on and it works’. same way i religiously use nano and try to do everything in bash first. or how a couple coworkers can’t stop explaining their vim workflow and defending python unprompted like it’s a trauma response for them. my current homelab is also running a r9 with 64gb ram and 30tb storage. if i were paying for remote hosting, still using salvaged hardware or being paid, i’d invest time learning newer processes. but containers haven’t caught my interested and this set up takes basically no effort on my part to maintain, so i can focus my limited free time elsewhere.

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        honestly every explanation probably just ends at ‘this is what i learned on and it works’.

        Yeah, lots of these answers basically boil down to “when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”

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          These days the hammer is usually docker/podman/lxc containers instead of VMs though. Like, you don’t need a container to run a self-contained statically-compiled binary, yet people still do it for some reason.

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        Same.
        The time it takes me to write a single function in Python is the same as writing a whole Bash-script using nano.
        Also I initially set up my homelab using Docker in a VM on Proxmox. Totally useless abstraction, but I never found the time and patience to migrate the VM to bare metal.

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    I’ve heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues, which I don’t know if that’s accurate or not. But the BIGGEST issue is lack of a proper tvOS app. I really don’t feel like using Infuse or some other app just to use my library. Year after year I hear about people switching and yet, the gap is simply still there.

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      To be fair there is a tvOS app in development but progress is slow because the whole project is maintained by a small handful of volunteers. They’ve put out a call for help and the maintainers post updates here

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      I’ve heard jellyfin has a lot of security issues

      The biggest known stuff I saw on their GitHub is that a number of the exposed service URLs under the hood don’t require auth. So, it’s open-source with known requirements, you can tell easily from the outside that it’s running, and you can cause it to activate a LOT of packages without logging in. That’s a zero-day in any package that can be passed a payload away from disaster.

      AS far as TVOS, I’m kinda surprised swiftfin doesn’t service you.

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        swiftfin is mostly there but doesn’t support media segments, which is a deal breaker for me

        really unfortunate since jellyfin media segments is a much better implementation of the concept than plex

        i’m watching the swiftfin issue for when it gets added and i’ll be all over compiling and testing it

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        Assuming this is all true, sure its not great but how much does it matter?

        Most have jellyfin in a docker. My jellyfin can’t only has read only accses to the media folder. Only the config folder has write access. Assuming the worst case scenario here, how much damage can than do?

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          A lot of neophyte self hosters Will try running the binary in Windows instead. Experienced self hosters will indeed use docker.

          Then out of the ones that are using docker some of them will set it up as privileged.

          And then how many of those people actually make read-only versus how many just add the path and don’t think about it.

          Don’t confuse your good practices with what the average person will do.

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      Yeah, Samsung TVs don’t have a native Jellyfin app either. You can sideload it, but good luck walking your “you touched my computer six months ago and now it’s broken. This is your fault” grandmother through that over the phone.

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      I just validated that the latest version of the LDAP privilege escalation issue is not an issue anymore. The curl script is in the ticket.

      This was the one where a standard user could get plugin credentials, such as the LDAP bind user, and change the LDAP endpoint. I.E., bad.

      I chose this one because after going through all of them, it was the only one that allowed access to something that wasn’t just data in Jellyfin.

      So for me, security is less of an issue knowing that, as only family use the service, and the remaining issues all require a logged in user (hit admin endpoint with user token).

      Plus, I tried a few of those and they were also fixed, just not documented yet. I didn’t add to those tickets because I was not as formal with my testing.

      @[email protected]

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      I am also not up to date on Jellyfin security issues but the biggest one I care about is that its clients don’t support OIDC. There’s a neat plugin for OIDC, but without client support it only works with the web client and I’m not a fan of leaving login pages open to the internet.

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        if you use the oidc connection and apps that support quick connect you can do it. you basically end up doing things like the plex link process that got implemented when they forced everyone into their authentication service. i almost went that route but opted to leave the password auth from ldap in. its the kind of log in process most people are used too and i’ve got a few elderly users. i disabled password reset in authentik though and everyone gets a 3 word 24 char minimum password.

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      Op already said they were behind authentik

      There also absolutely are apps for tv oses like Android, I use one daily.

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        I think they meant Apple’s “tvOS” - which powers the Apple TV set top box.

        There’s no client for it, if I had to take a guess it’s likely due to the costs of doing so.

        Edit: Whoops, it appears I’m a bit out of date on this.

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            Oh interesting, it’s been a while since I have tried to use Apple TV (roughly 7 years or so - I don’t use any Apple devices anymore), this wasn’t available at the time so I’m glad to see there’s finally some native support.

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              there’s been a LOT of progress on jellyfin, especially the past year or so. i’ve been using plex since it forked from xbmc, it ran on the bottom half of a laptop connected to a mostly working projector, both rescued from a dumpster. it’s been a fantastic platform for a long time. but i’ve also wanted off plex since they rolled out the plex account req. jellyfin is finally there for me at least.

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      https://github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin is available for tvOS. works great for me with one bug. since i have homepods connected to one of my apple tv’s as it’s speakers. i had to change the setting to use the native video player instead of vlc to avoid and audio delay bug. that cost me the auto play next episode function. i though not auto playing the next episode would annoy me, but it’s turned out to not be a issue at all. but infuse doesn’t include that bug if you want both homepod tv speakers and auto play next episode with jellyfin. as for security, since jellyfin is more modifiable it has a lot more room for misconfiguration for sure. plex had plenty of it’s own security issues, we just only heard about them when some security blogger discovered it.

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        misconfiguration here i think is a dangerous way to phrase it… it implies that there is a secure way to run jellyfin on its own. jellyfin, by itself, should never be exposed to the www. it is, no matter the configuration, insecure. to run jellyfin on the www you must put a VPN or other reverse proxy with auth over the top of it

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    i love jellyfin i just wish there was a nicer way to highlight collections so you could make themed weekly or monthly collections of movies and shows that also still show up in the regular folders… almost like netflix.

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      I’m probably mistaken, but I think there might actually be a plugin for this? I haven’t looked into it myself but I swear I scrolled past a plugin listing similar functionality at some point. Or I could be hallucinating. Or it could even exist but no longer work on the current version of the app. Who knows!?

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    I’m also 90% done migrating to jellyfin. I’ve had the instance running for 6 months now, the cultural change to watch jellyfin is complete, except for my wife’s iPad.

    Heck, I should just retire Plex. That will force the change.

    These are the thoughts of a cold and calloused sysadmin. Didn’t get the email about the change? Too bad.

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    Long time Jellyfin user here, welcome on board. I think biggest hurdle I should newbies warn about is the lack of availability on TizenOS.

    Its possible but needs some extra steps.

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      This is one of my issue with Jellyfin. It’s a workaround to install the app onto Tizen. Updates are again manual. But zero issues since installation and runs smooth.

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      not OP, but this has reared its ugly face once or twice with my friends.

      i have been running into another issue, though it may be a firefox issue: playing some filetypes fail to play on web browser but work fine on jellyfin app (i believe my settings are correct for hardware decode on server where it can)

      i still have to put some time into figuring it out tho (havent really done my research yet)

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    This is probably the wrong post to ask this question, so sorry in advance.

    I have a dual boot Linux + Windows. Jellyfin runs wonderfully on muy Linux partition with docker-compose. Anybody knows how can I clone it in my Windows partition, such that configs, metada and accounts remain the same? I’ve failed to do this, and only the media volume remaines identical on both OS.

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      This may not be the answer you are looking for, but one method would be to use WSL on windows to run a Linux distro with Docker installed and just migrate everything over, basically 1-to-1. Then set WSL to auto start when you boot up windows. If you install Docker Desktop on Windows, it will also pick up that you’re using Docket via WSL and allow you to manage shit from the client. I don’t do that though, I’m a masochist old-school.

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      Looks like there is a config and cache location in their docker scripts. The easiest way to make a docker application portable is to bind mount the config and cache. That way you have access to the actual files and could copy them to your windows partition.

      If you’re already using a volume for that data, I think it becomes a bit trickier. I know technically you can move or copy volumes, but I’ve never tried. Although you could still bind mount a random directory and still copy the files out.

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    i have a lifetime plex pass, but I’d consider moving to jellyfin when their closed-captioning support reaches parity with plex. i regularly spin up a jellyfin container to try it out, but i still run into issues. And jellyfin’s android apps are mediocre (in particular android auto support), especially for music compared to plexamp

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    my only issue is how user friendly it isn’t compared to Plex.

    i genuinely want to leave Plex (especially the more and more they enshittify) but I just could not figure out how to set up jellyfin. i use Linux every day, and know I’m at least a tiny bit more tech smart than your average PC user, but I can’t imagine trying to explain to my family how to set jellyfin up.

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      Host Jellyfin either by running their easy setup script or by hosting it on docker, in order for it to be publicly accessible you will need to either port forward and give people your external IP or you need to have your own website. It’s very easy with a docker container to get it running locally, you literally just spin it up, the same as Plex.

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        Jellyfin us easy to run, but then when you are running it it just doesn’t have your files. Are they in the incorrect folder structure? Who knows

        I literally just run Kodi and it just works, I can browse my folders and watch stuff

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          this was the dealbreaker for me. the demand for specific file and directory naming schemes with no default indexer seems deranged.

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          I use sonarr and radarr, they automatically structure the folder system, and you can also have the same issues with Plex. I had an issue where Plex would not no matter what detect the newest episode of a show and Jellyfin picked it up no problem

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        The only thing that plex has over jellyfin at the moment (in my opinion) is the simple sign on and user options that allow users to have their own usernames and not have to know anything about reverse-proxying a domain for jellyfin access. It’s that little bit of back-end that you have to set up that’s the problem for the ‘normie’ users that a lot of plex admins cater to. That, and there’s some holes in where the jellyfin app is available.

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          plex is still definitely easier to get started on. i don’t begrudge anyone still going that route, i had a lifetime plexpass the last 8yrs i think. jellyfin is a great option if you either already know how to set things up and want full control. Or you’re looking for an opportunity to learn more about reverse proxy, dns and authentication/access systems. plex is still i nice gateway drug.