Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be. It is not a good distro for beginners and non power users, no matter how often you try to make your own repository, and how many GUI installers you make for it. There’s a good reason why there is no GUI installer in arch (aside from being able to load it into ram). That being that to use Arch, you need to have a basic understanding of the terminal. It is in no way hard to boot arch and type in archinstall. However, if you don’t even know how to do that, your experience in whatever distro, no matter how arch based it is or not, will only last until you have a dependency error or some utter and total Arch bullshit® happens on your system and you have to run to the forums because you don’t understand how a wiki works.

You want a bleeding edge distro? Use goddamn Opensuse Tumbleweed for all I care, it is on par with arch, and it has none of the arch stuff.

You have this one package that is only available on arch repos? Use goddamn flatpak and stop crying about flatpak being bloated, you probably don’t even know what bloat means if you can’t set up arch. And no, it dosent run worse. Those 0,0001 seconds don’t matter.

You really want arch so you can be cool? Read the goddamn 50 page install guide and set it up, then we’ll talk about those arch forks.

(Also, most arch forks that don’t use arch repos break the aur, so you don’t even have the one thing you want from arch)

  • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
    458·
    4 days ago

    “I didnt read the changelogs”

    I have never read the changelogs and I have never broken my EOS install ever.

    Weak bait.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      15·
      4 days ago
      • Arch users everywhere: You MUST read the Arch new files before updating.
      • Also Arch users when updating: Oops, I forgot to read the news file.
      • pacman when updating: I have pre install hooks but I don’t print the news files updates by default because that’s probably bloat or something.

      Make it make sense

      • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
        11·
        3 days ago

        while you do have a point, i’m still having issues with taskwarrior printing it’s update notifications, even after opening an issue and the maintainers patching it.

        The thing is, i use arch on 3 different devices, and i don’t need to see every news entry 3 times, so yes in my case having it as default in pacman would indeed be bloat.

        That said, there is PLENTY of places where I think arch could have saner defaults. but the beauty of arch is that it is made to be configured exactly the way you like it, so you really can’t fault arch as much in this case, compared to other distros that try to take all decisionmaking away from the user.

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          You can never be 100% certain the news file didn’t update between the three invocations. If you aren’t refreshing that page between invocations then you aren’t actually using Arch the way it was designed.

          • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
            1·
            3 days ago

            well you can never be 100% certain your laptop won’t spontaneously die either.

            for any new arch user, i do recommend keeping an archiso live USB around in case something really does happen - since every arch user should know the basics of how it works, it should be easy enough to recover as well.

            knowing that, i really only check the news out of curiosity, since i’m not a grub user i haven’t had arch be unbootable since i started using it years ago. even if it did i’m confident enough it’d be a quick fix.

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              11·
              3 days ago

              Then I never want to see you telling someone they should’ve checked the news file before updating!

      • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
        17·
        4 days ago

        That was solved in about 10min with a liveusb and replacing grub with systemdboot

        Try explaining that to a newbie

          • LordKitsuna@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            You would, it’s very very straightforward they made it very simple. I literally walked multiple non-technical users through it when it happened because I have moved some of my friends and family to Linux. I won’t say that it wasn’t tedious and that it wasn’t annoying for them but they got through it just fine

      • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        4 days ago

        Granted that for most newbies doing archchroot from a live USB is complicated enough to reinstall. In any case, as you said, systemd-boot works fine and it’s the default now in EOS so who cares.

        For example a friend of mine decided to reinstall bazzite because he changed his GPU from nvidia to amd, when and uses the default drivers… Yes a simple search in bazzite’s download page shows the three coands that have to be executed to rebase the system to the non nvidia one if you like having extra space but… A full reinstall is crazy.