OP seems to be talking about high level institutions collaborating with the opensource community to make linux phones a reality. Those aren’t “normal people” but politicians and their ilk. They should be thinking different than the average consoomer i.e not “oh it’s shiny and popular, fuck the price”.

The SUN community license is the kicker. Amazing job.

Hold on, how come they don’t have a paid team working on this?

Interesting, but I’m curious about how it comlaresbto other technologies in cost, maintenance, and efficiency. There are molten salt batteries being tested as well as hydrogen fuel cells, even heated concrete and flywheels.

These seem simple but that can hide complex problems.

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There was no documentation or guide for embedding it into

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If you’d like to embed Servo in your own application, consider using tauri-runtime-verso, a custom Tauri runtime, or servo-gtk, a GTK4-based web browser widget.

Great documentation and exceptional guide! 👏 What next, are you going to tell me that the code is the documentation? “Just read the code”?

So, in order to embed Servo you need:

• to use Tauri: sure, pull in a huge other project to be able to use our project 🫰
• use GTK: again, pull in a bunch of unrelated dependencies to be able to embed our project

I can’t give servo some graphical surface (OpenGL, Vulkan, Metal, DX, whatever), call a function to open a webpage and see it draw on that surface. There’s no lib with documentation on crates.io, no bindings for other languages, and non of the things I mentioned in my previous comment.

It feels like this is built just like Gecko was for Firefox: single consumer with the consumer being the “reference implementation”.

I should’ve been clearer: my misgiving is the claim of “embeddable”. If embeddable means having to read the code to find out how instead reading documentation, tutorials, and examples, nah, it ain’t embeddable. It’s possibly embeddable.

It’s like claiming NIXOS were user friendly, assembly being easy, or Arch Linux stable.

How easy is it to embed though? Documentation, tutorial, examples, etc. Making it as embeddable as Gecko is a losing strategy. Making it as embeddable as Blink and WebKit though, then we can talk about embeddable.

I mean embedding into applications. There was no documentation or guide for embedding it into anything last I checked and this is just a demo browser that’s being released. If embedding it into applications is as hard as Gecko, it will have no chance against Blink and WebKit.

Ai still needs them to mindlessly make a robot factory with AI to print AI. I’m sure it’ll be safe

Sure. I’ll believe it when I see it.

The Asahi Linux team is just amazing. Reverse engineering all that crap just to ensure it won’t turn into e-waste when people need a new toy. Very respectable.

There is no “debacle”. 25.10 is an interim release specifically there for testing new things. They are catching bugs exactly where they are supposed to.

If you’re calling it a “debacle”, you might as well download the test version of any software out there, discover a bug and call that a “debacle”.

Then definitely talk to a lawyer. They would be able to give you the best advice for your country and situation.

Do you need to tie your name to the opensource project? If not, use a pseudonym that your employer can’t find or know 🤷 Put it on codeberg or radicle and they won’t be able to find the project anyway.

Software has bugs more news at 11

We’d need to provide a reason for them to want a Linux phone. What use could a politician have for such a phone? We need to find good, strong reasons for it.

Sovereignty is the big thing right now. Supply chain attacks too.

Is there maybe a cost projection we could provide?

But also, how can it tir into other goals? If it’s just disconnected from everything, it probably won’t get much steam. Crosscutting concerns have to be tackled with a Linux phone. Concerns that’s are tangible and not philosophical or ethical.

Sure, for new stuff, but do you just chuck all the old stuff in the bin and get new stuff, e-waste be darned?

Maybe someday Linux will be undeniable for such companies and reverse engineering will not be necessary anymore. Those days are far away though😮‍💨

And yet, somehow the justice system doesn’t do anything.