Neither. I’m saying that visa and Mastercards opinion on what I’m buying means fuck all to me, it’s none of their fucking business. I don’t care who writes you a letter, posts on face book, what the media says, it’s not their job to police my purchases.

They’d be 100% in the clear just ignoring these people (the kind of morons who have time to cause this kind of trouble either don’t need credit or don’t have a choice in the matter, so no loss of customers), but they decided to interject themselves in a place they don’t belong. So fuck em, and anyone who tries to enforce limitations on the legal things I do via crybaby disingenuous public pressure.

If everyone felt like me, these attempts would fall flat on their face. Sadly, too many sheepish pearl clutching morons.

In your scenario (media pulled it from an echo chamber) I would blame the corporation who decided to make a change - media is (arguably) doing its job (that’s a much bigger discussion), poster was just bitching to like minded people and not trying to force change.

And that’s a problem for me.

Their work on New Vegas was phenomenal. Outer worlds… less so.

Wonder where the disconnect was?

This is useful information I was not aware of - thank you.

While I was wrong about Horses, the issue with payment processors forcing censorship on Steam is still true and an enormous issue - Visa doesn’t get a say in what I purchase.

I don’t disagree, I’m just calling the people who choose to complain morons, because again I don’t believe they should be the arbiters of what is acceptable.

Basically, you’re free to have your opinion, but keep it to your fucking self and your fucking echo chambers you regressive fucking failures (the general you, not you specifically)

I’M not claiming steam pulled it due to pressure from payment processors, VALVE reported it. You’d know that if you read the article I posted.

If you want to participate in the discussion you have to do the reading.

Let’s finish our conversation about steam before we set up a goal post move.

Please actually read my comment and try again.

I regret my short hand of “slippery slope” but it’s not a coincidence that less than 6 months ago payment processors used their influence to get a game pulled from steam and now all of a sudden steam is self censoring based on content.

Whatever the non-fallacious version of “there’s an escalating pattern here” is what’s happening.

Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

Visa and Mastercard literally used their influence to get a game pulled from steam this year. So less of a strawman and more “Exhibit A”.

Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

Earlier this year steam updated its guidelines to prohibit content that “may violate the rules and standards set forth by steam payment processors and related card networks”

Visa and Mastercard pressured steam to remove a game because they didn’t agree with its content. Visa and Mastercard only care because they believe they end users care - that’s you, a potential end user of visa and Mastercards service. Valve only cares because visa and Mastercard care.

You saying “I see why they wouldn’t want to sell the game” helps them to pressure steam into self censorship.

You’re speaking with an awful lot of confidence on stuff you don’t seem to be very well versed in.

For example, you somehow missed the fact that just months after payment processors forced steam to remove a game, they’re suddenly self-censoring.

Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

The only reason someone wouldn’t want to sell something is because of pressure from others - you boil it down enough and the logic is “I don’t want to sell this because others will judge me”, which stems directly from others judgement, being my entire point.

You can claim “Valve doesn’t want to sell it for moral reasons”, but they’re not a moral body, they’re a corporation - their only job is to earn money.

The more people feel they can dictate what a retailer sells, the worse it gets for all of us, and retailers choosing to drop things rather than “roc k the boat” is a problem.

Sure, this is a pretty repugnant case, but the slippery slope starts somewhere.

I’m not admonishing the store, as you said it’s up to them to carry what they like. I’m admonishing you and people like you for trying to exert pressure on the store to not carry something you personally don’t like, because again, you’re not intended to be in charge of what others sell.

That’s not how this works, you don’t get to decide what is acceptable for other people. It’s people like you who galvanize Mastercard and Visa in trying to control what kind of content we’re “allowed” to purchase.

To be clear this all sounds repugnant to me, but i realize Im not the sole arbiter of taste and have no interest in telling other adults what (legal) things they are and aren’t allowed to do.

If the game is so bad it’ll tank, it doesn’t need outside forces influencing it.

Nail On The Head.

I work in tech. I also have terrible dexterity. While I love my gaming PC, I dread upgrades or things going wrong. I hate applying thermal paste, replacing a motherboard, etc. I’d gladly pay “prebuilt” prices for something from a company I can “trust” (as far as corporations can be trusted).

I mean I know “Alleged” has to be there for legal purposes, but what are the chances Rockstar ISNT guilty of union busting?

I’ve watched UNION’s union bust when their staff unionizes, no way a for profit capitalist nightmare like rockstar isn’t busting as hard as they can, especially with the NLRB currently muzzled by a felonious rapist who steals from children with cancer.

So you’ll continue being a money sucking ghoul who infects my hobby with more and more micro transactions for things that should have been shipped with the game in the first place?

Phew, I was worried there for a sec I might have to credit SA or a fucking Kushner for fixing one of the shittiest publishers in gaming, nice to know they can remain on “pirate if it looks good” list.

That’s fucking awesome, so as long as the proton layers exist for the steam deck, they’ll exist for (at least the distro your describing) Linux? Fuck I need to actually sit down and learn Linux one of these millennia.

As a dad, the ability to pause games like a switch is beyond a selling point, it’s amazing to me that it’s ALSO and affordable low end pc and gaming rig that’s ALSO portable. There’s hundreds of indie games that run like a dream on the steam deck, not to mention retro games.

You’re not getting desktop performance in a portable format for cheap like the steam deck, and again the ability to pause a game is fucking phenomenal for my life.

Yar har fiddle dee, 80 bucks a game just ain’t for me, yar har fiddle and fat, I’ll just fucking sail the high seas numbnuts publishers, good job trading the 60 bucks I was willing to pay for the 0 you’ll be getting from me now.

And remember kids, if buying isn’t owning, pirating isn’t stealing.