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You can also take advantage of it a bit on other distros if your gaming because Lutris lets you use CachyOS’s proton build on anything. And that works very nicely.

I would bet real money the way you broke Debian testing is that your boot filled up and initramfs didn’t generate correctly, and then your rebooted and it wouldn’t boot. Am I correct?

It’s microsoft. If AI didn’t have a hand in this I’ll eat my dirty socks for dinner.

Ironically security is one of the single most commonly used excuses for companies and governments to violate your privacy. Sorry microsoft, you can’t scan all my files. Womp womp.

I’d turn that right back around on you. Why not take lessons from those things? Fossil fuels have done horrible damage to the environment and factory automation has caused major labor relations problems in certain countries. But do you know what they both also have in common with AI? The problems OVERWHELMINGLY come from the top 1% wealthiest people/companies using them. Climate change is not caused by individuals. Individuals using 3D printers/automation are not the ones causing labor issues. And people using AI individually are not the issue. It’s the companies. And in fact in both of those situations as well REFUSING to use the technology at all only harms you and your movement. 3D printing can help individual people deal with a few massive factories monopolizing basic things and wiping out the infrastructure we need to make things locally. Refusing to use fossil fuels at all only leads to personal economic issues because society is so structured around them you can’t avoid it realistically. Then AI is causing these open source projects to be bombarded with new code submissions to the point the only possible way they can keep functioning is to use that very AI to try and sort through it all.

The lessons are that the ones we should be fighting are the rich. Policing the actions of individuals is a losing battle and counter productive.

What are you using? Web or some app?

So here’s how I see it: There is a big difference between “AI generated” code and “AI assisted” code. Or just anything.

To put it in terms most people can more understand let’s say you were writing a book. If you have an LLM generate the book its gonna suck and be slop. But if you write the rough draft, then paste it into an LLM and say, “Look through this and find typos and other mistakes and point them out to me”. Then you go and check the things it finds and fix them yourself, that is fine. It’s just a really good spellcheck at that point. Even if you say “suggest a fix” it’s fine. For coding you could even tell it like “Take this line of code and suggest 5 different ways to do the same thing that might work better” then test them all out and see which one you like best.

I have personally used an LLM to help clean up my dotfiles for example. I don’t want to read through all that shit and find the old junk I need to remove or change. So I just throw them at an LLM and have it point things out to me. Or say you know you have a file but don’t know the exact filename. Go into the folder its in and dump the output of ls into an LLM. Tell it what file you need vaguely. Have it read them and give you the correct filename. Then check it yourself.

The problem comes from people who just generate stuff and don’t do the work of double checking it themselves.

Button is right there man

It’s perfect for them. They don’t have to do the work of maintaining an OS (Which they suck at) and get to continue monitoring the entire computer using their malwa- I mean security suite. :)

Yeah I wouldn’t leave it up to like individuals. Guilds back in the day had good systems for it. You’d get someone who had been vetted and verified to be competent assigned to you. Usually the apprentices had to “buy in” that doesn’t mean money persay. But labor could be the buy in. If you want to be given some of a skilled mentors time then you’d have to put in labor to prove you were serious about it and earn it.

I wonder how effective a master/apprentice situation could be for this? Like someone gets taken under the wing of a veteran contributor and all their work is vetted and signed off on my that person before being submitted. They get taught how to do things and in return maybe do some of the busywork for the veteran. Because your always going to need new contributors but you need a way to vet them.

I agree. I’d rather build from source.

I actually spent a good amount of time trying to remove title bars from gnome the other day and on the version im currently on it seems impossible. Unless I want to potentially break a bunch of stuff to do it anyway.

Yeah the Debian Project’s position makes a lot of sense to me. They’re basically saying that they won’t be wasting a bunch of resources trying to seek out LLM generated code and purge it and will instead just focus on making sure ALL the code is up to their quality standards. This will likely mean they spend a lot of time sifting out slop anyway, and will allow them to keep just focusing on making the project do what it’s always done. Ship a stable, usable, and free distro.

You probably know a lot of the stuff just not the terms for it. If you are interested in like tiling or scrolling window managers you can look up videos on those terms and see them. The difference between them and a DE is that they are literally JUST a window manager. They don’t come with the other features of a DE. You basically won’t have a GUI unless you build one out. This gets you into the realm of like Linux ricing. Where people spend tons of effort and time making their computers look and function in a unique way.

With Gnome it’s the default to not have one on the desktop view. Then to remove the topbar you just use an extension. Just Perfection gives you a lot of UI tweak options.

This resolution therefore affirms that generative AI is neither exempt from nor subject to special rules beyond the standards already expected of Debian contributors. The responsibility for every contribution rests with the contributor who submits it, who remains accountable for its technical quality, legal acceptability, and suitability for inclusion in Debian.

My desire is to have my system function. I like stability. If a project has tons of AI slop being thrown at it it takes time to sift through that and find code that’s not garbage. Debian takes the time to do that. Other distros are much faster paced and simply don’t have the time to do that properly before code shows up on your machine. That’s what I was talking about. The Debian Stable pipeline. I’m downstream so the AI slop should hopefully get noticed and patched out before it reaches me. So I don’t see Debian Stable as AI slop. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe AI will ruin the Debian Project. But I’m hopeful the project’s policies that have kept it going for decades will continue to keep things stable going forward.

idk why you think Debian is AI nonsense but my point was that AI code tends to be shipped without actually being looked at or tested by a human being. Debian is known for being extremely slow to make changes. So by the time stuff gets to stable it has been around long enough that it’s been tested a lot.

Ya the only thing that keeps me from being omega worried about it is that I use Debian and by the time code gets to me that shit has been tested to hell and back. So less likely some AI nonsense is going to break something.