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If it’s just an unchanging “no” and strongly in favor of not having the status quo go anywhere, I would indeed say that is “not leading anywhere”. Not changing what people think and how things were before is “not leading anywhere”.

nobody can’t just say “but the developers are working really hard”, or “a bunch of people actually use it” and make it all suddenly go away

That’s not what anyone’s saying either. AHemlocksLie said the article—instead of saying “we know better what the users want”—expresses frustration at caring and working a ton at (blind) accessibility only for people to say GNOME devs don’t care about (blind) accessibility; nowhere did they say that makes GNOME accessibility good. In the context of us understanding what AHemlocksLie said, I think it’s not aberating that we interpreted your reply the way we did.

squaresinger said what you think you said in their last reply. Look at the positive response to them.

You’re not criticizing. You’re saying “no matter how much people try to improve this, this will always be objectively worthless, because this is objectively worthless”. Nobody said you’re not allowed to criticize GNOME. Criticism includes specific directions to improve on and does not involve neglecting the size of the userbase to claim your personal preferences extend to objective truth.

“Continues to run” is “continues to function”.

And they elaborate anyways:

Plasma’s X11 session continues to be maintained.

Specifically, that means:

We’ll make sure Plasma continues to compile and deploy on X11. Bug reports about the Plasma X11 session being horribly broken (for example, you can’t log in) will be fixed.

Please read the articles you’re commenting on.

huh?

Hyprland and dwl are actual, existing tiling dwms for Wayland.

i wonder what you thought “dwl” stood for lol

absolutely no tiling dwms have ever been seen for wayland ever

hyprland? dwl?

Do you have to dunk on something just because it’s decidedly not for you? There are, in fact, many avid GNOME users who’ve tried Plasma or other DEs, including Linus Torvalds.

Even external and blind reviewers like Fireborn said GNOME was the only working option on Wayland.

Not just the installer but setting up stuff for a11y in general.

We’ll make sure Plasma continues to compile and deploy on X11.

As for when Plasma will drop support for X11? There’s currently no firm timeline for this, and I certainly don’t expect it to happen in the next year, or even the next two years.

Of course they’re not going to drop it while it’s still at 73%.

For me personally I cannot externally observe how obvious my sarcasm is, so I always use it just in case. Plus on many platforms you can spoiler the /s anyways.

Sorry that I couldn’t see where you included that. Could you do me a favor and quote what components exactly need to have work done for a solid base? (brownie points if they refer to postmarketOS’s Plasma Mobile as a starting point) Note that I’m already aware of the driver layer issues. I’m really curious about this solid base you mention.

Okay, what more needs to be in postmarketOS Plasma in order so that it has a “solid base”?

Do you think Android is “just” Linux?

No? It’s not even much Linux besides the kernel. By my second sentence I meant “Isn’t [Plasma Mobile’s solid] base just GNU/Linux?”

Isn’t that the UI layer they was referring to? I would think that the AOSP layer as summarized by balsoft is the solid base, which in Plasma mobile is GNU/Linux plus some basic stuff in the DE.

Yeah I could’ve phrased that better. I was thinking more process management, coreutils, networking, device interfaces, rendering, window manager, etc.

That would make sense, though I was asking about the “solid base”, not the “driver layer”.