linux-drm-syncobj-v1: new protocol (!90) · Merge requests · wayland / wayland-protocols · GitLab
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This is a new Linux explicit synchronization protocol based on DRM synchronization objects 1.

Since nvidia drivers do not properly implement implicit sync, this protocol not existing is the root cause of flickering with nvidia graphics on Wayland. This MR being merged means that Wayland might finally be usable with nvidia graphics with the next driver release.

EDIT: Nvidia dev posted that support is planned in the 555 driver, with beta release planned for May 15: https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/pull/104#issuecomment-2010292221

    • visor841@lemmy.world
      1·
      8 months ago

      Currently yes, tho Wine has gotten pretty far with Wayland support, so it wouldn’t be too surprising to see Wine Wayland be useable for gaming in the next year or two.

    • SuperIce@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      We also need support for the new protocol in Nvidia’s driver. Support will be available in driver 555, the beta of which will be released on May 15. So there’s still some time to wait until it’s fully fixed.

    • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
      1·
      8 months ago

      Rather, I bought from the vendor who contributed their GPU drivers to the Linux Kernel. It just so happened that’s AMD.

      NVIDIA sycophants hate that one weird trick.

      • Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi
        1·
        8 months ago

        Honestly… I don’t really have anything against Nvidia, but I do. It’s really a good company, but it sucks.

        Those are my lines :D

  • pr06lefs@lemmy.ml
    1·
    8 months ago

    Questions from someone still on xmonad/x11, with 3 computers that have nvidia cards:

    Do all nvidia cards have trouble in wayland currently, or is it just some subset?

    Is it really unususable, or just really annoyingly flickery?

    Would my card be usable now (without this merge) if I was using the nouveau driver?

    Once this is merged, will all nvidia cards work in wayland? Or do we not really know yet.

    • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      1·
      8 months ago

      Nouveau should have already been fine, this should fix the proprietary driver’s issues. AFAIK this is a core issue of the proprietary driver, so should affect all cards.

      I tried Wayland on my 16xx series GPU, Electron apps were only annoying, but games were unplayable. The desktop itself and Wayland native apps worked fine, though.

  • imnapr@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    God I fucking hope so man. I’m so tired of Nvidia not working on Wayland properly. It’ll be so nice to have VRR and gSync on Wayland without the awful flickering.

  • flashgnash@lemm.ee
    0·
    8 months ago

    I’ve been using Wayland on two Nvidia machines for months now, is the flickering the whole screen or just some applications because until I updated my Nvidia drivers very recently I’ve not had any flickering issues at all

    • Akinzekeel@lemmy.world
      0·
      8 months ago

      I’ve been on NVIDIA with Wayland since June 23 (which is when I switched to Linux in general) and I am still mystified what all this fuss is about. Everything just… works? What am I missing?

      • flashgnash@lemm.ee
        0·
        8 months ago

        Depends on your card, I’ve had an good number of different issues between my pc and laptop

        • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          8 months ago

          It is great to see I’m not alone, yeah, I wish people would realize that it’s just hardware at the end of the day. The company does crappy stuff but individuals who work there, most of them are smart individuals just trying their hardest to develope something they can be proud of, that people can enjoy, and that might benefit society in some way.

          Mostly engineers but you get my point.

          • flashgnash@lemm.ee
            1·
            8 months ago

            Engineers are made to do things they don’t want to do, not their fault but they don’t really have the power to do things properly

  • just_another_person@lemmy.world
    0·
    8 months ago

    The root cause of Nvidia flicker is Nvidia ecosystem being a total shitshow. This has nothing to do with drivers and how bad they are, or how Nvidia refuses to open source even the base of their desktop card drivers, or that the few tools they contribute to in in the OSS space to work around that are awful, or that the entire Linux environment for Nvidia is all about the datacenter (what an insane mess that is).

    Good luck Nvidia+Linux fanboys.

    • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      1·
      8 months ago

      Well, this is the root cause of this specific issue if you treat nvidia’s part of the stack as some barely changable black box (which is what it is right now). It’s not that I disagree open source drivers would be better, I just already own an nvidia GPU :/

    • dimath@ttrpg.network
      01·
      8 months ago

      Sure, I agree, but Nvidia proprietary driver is still the best for gaming, isn’t it?