Nah. I’m not anti-AI categorically, just the grift, marketing, and billionaires around it. I’ve built and maintained production deployments that incorporate CNNs; I’ve been using AI (ML) since long before the attention paper and modern AI branding.
There is a valid moral point to be made about AI that is trained on the work of people who did NOT authorize that use of their work, which will then reduce the need for that work (meaning, reduce the incomes of such people or even make then unemployed).
As far as I know there is not a single AI used for vibe-coding which was trained on content whose makers willfully authorized that use of the content they made.
So whilst your point is valid for broader ML (and I personally agree with it), it is not sufficient to morally justify the kind used for vibe-coding or pretty much any LLMs or image generation AI engines, as they’re all trained on content not produced for or authorized for that purpose.
IMHO it’s only sufficient to morally justify things like character recognition or some forms of voice generation were the training dataset was properly authorized for that purpose.
I also use Amazon. I buy my groceries from my region’s local monopoly. I have a Facebook account (that I only use for marketplace). I also pay taxes, a portion of which goes to killing poor brown people for some reason…
Yes, I exist in a capitalist system and consume thusly when it benefits me to do so. Just because my money goes somewhere doesn’t mean I like the people whose pockets it goes into. I prefer using local models for most of my low-hanging-fruit LLM needs, but frontier models have their place, and their uses, and so I have a subscription (which I’ve shifted around a few times).
also really not a big fan of the major chip manufacturers and brands, but I have a computer filled with the things. If you want to open up a fab or a frontier lab and can compete with them on quality and even get in the ballpark of them on price, and aren’t a fucking Nazi, I’d be more than happy to use your product instead. However, here we are.
P. S. I also bought a Nestle chocolate bar the other day, and they’re basically a manifestation of satan. It is what it is…
You’re kinda right, but a few things can be avoided ! Specially… Why the fuck would you buy a fucking Nestle chocolat bar, when there are so many WAY better alternatives arround ?
Just go buy some real chocolat bar in a BIO local market and never touch that fucking nestle chocolat bar ever again !!!
I don’t think that’s actually the case. A lot of people say that, but inference is absurdly cheap, even compared to “api-subsidized” subscription prices. Where the math doesn’t work out is the fact that they’re training new models all the time. Any individual generation of model, if they were to just stop on it, (I suspect) would be profitable. But when you factor in continuous R&D and training costs of chasing the next gen, they’re just hemorrhaging money.
But that’s the game they’re playing because they don’t actually care about selling a product to customers; they care about investors. Nobody gets rich anymore by making a product and selling it to people. They get rich by making a product and then pitching it to investors and then getting bought out by a bigger fish or going public and having a big IPO.
The way the economy works now is that the companies are the products. Or at least their shares are, for a time…
I don’t think inference is breaking even with the rapid depreciation of the chips, etc. but they don’t let us see any of those finances for some reason.
But I take it back about using it as much as possible. Those CO2 emissions are inexcusable.
Nah. I’m not anti-AI categorically, just the grift, marketing, and billionaires around it. I’ve built and maintained production deployments that incorporate CNNs; I’ve been using AI (ML) since long before the attention paper and modern AI branding.
There is a valid moral point to be made about AI that is trained on the work of people who did NOT authorize that use of their work, which will then reduce the need for that work (meaning, reduce the incomes of such people or even make then unemployed).
As far as I know there is not a single AI used for vibe-coding which was trained on content whose makers willfully authorized that use of the content they made.
So whilst your point is valid for broader ML (and I personally agree with it), it is not sufficient to morally justify the kind used for vibe-coding or pretty much any LLMs or image generation AI engines, as they’re all trained on content not produced for or authorized for that purpose.
IMHO it’s only sufficient to morally justify things like character recognition or some forms of voice generation were the training dataset was properly authorized for that purpose.
You’re clearly not bothered by the grift if you’re using the billionaire’s products.
Oh, well, aren’t you smart…
I also use Amazon. I buy my groceries from my region’s local monopoly. I have a Facebook account (that I only use for marketplace). I also pay taxes, a portion of which goes to killing poor brown people for some reason…
Yes, I exist in a capitalist system and consume thusly when it benefits me to do so. Just because my money goes somewhere doesn’t mean I like the people whose pockets it goes into. I prefer using local models for most of my low-hanging-fruit LLM needs, but frontier models have their place, and their uses, and so I have a subscription (which I’ve shifted around a few times).
also really not a big fan of the major chip manufacturers and brands, but I have a computer filled with the things. If you want to open up a fab or a frontier lab and can compete with them on quality and even get in the ballpark of them on price, and aren’t a fucking Nazi, I’d be more than happy to use your product instead. However, here we are.
P. S. I also bought a Nestle chocolate bar the other day, and they’re basically a manifestation of satan. It is what it is…
You’re kinda right, but a few things can be avoided ! Specially… Why the fuck would you buy a fucking Nestle chocolat bar, when there are so many WAY better alternatives arround ?
Just go buy some real chocolat bar in a BIO local market and never touch that fucking nestle chocolat bar ever again !!!
Some things are a requirement to function in this capitalist society, but using slop generators isn’t one of those things. You do you though.
Neither is the chocolate bar, but yum.
Personally, I like things that improve the quality and enjoyment of my life. But agreed; to each their own.
That’s an “I only care that it’s good for me” justification, THE Sociopath’s justification.
That doesn’t actualy counter the point others were making - which was a moral point - it just indicates that you yourself are amoral.
The billionaires lose money each time you use their stuff. We should drain them as much as we can.
I don’t think that’s actually the case. A lot of people say that, but inference is absurdly cheap, even compared to “api-subsidized” subscription prices. Where the math doesn’t work out is the fact that they’re training new models all the time. Any individual generation of model, if they were to just stop on it, (I suspect) would be profitable. But when you factor in continuous R&D and training costs of chasing the next gen, they’re just hemorrhaging money.
But that’s the game they’re playing because they don’t actually care about selling a product to customers; they care about investors. Nobody gets rich anymore by making a product and selling it to people. They get rich by making a product and then pitching it to investors and then getting bought out by a bigger fish or going public and having a big IPO.
The way the economy works now is that the companies are the products. Or at least their shares are, for a time…
I don’t think inference is breaking even with the rapid depreciation of the chips, etc. but they don’t let us see any of those finances for some reason.
But I take it back about using it as much as possible. Those CO2 emissions are inexcusable.