Projects like Plex, they started out from the open source community, had free contributions, and then monetized. People are bastardizing open source.
The reason Plex is as popular as it is is because of their infrastructure and software that lets users stream video and music remotely on any device at the press of a button. That costs money to build and maintain.
Really? Cuz Jellyfin literally does the same thing and doesn’t cost money.
It certainly doesn’t cost what they’re charging. They have a cache, a relay and an auth service. I’ll grant them some more allowance for an active security team. They’ve wasted manyears on features nobody wants and have eliminated any feature that costs them any amount of money to maintain if they can’t make money off it. (sync, client serve, yada yada)
In fairness to Plex, I bought a Lifetime subscription during a Black Friday deal over a decade ago and it’s still serving me well to this day.
I have jellyfin set up ready to go but Plex has the UX down at this point. I’ll keep using it whilst my lifetime subscription remains valid.
Same here, JF is on reserve but I’ll be sad if I ever need to switch. Ever since they fixed downloads I have 0 major complaints. Plex just works, and it works very well for my and my family’s needs. I am perfectly happy paying once for software that I use every single day.
God I hate their last UX change. It’s like they specifically designed the roku client to hide your own content and favor theirs, used to be one click into my library and everything was there.
You were right to switch whether the price increased or not.
Imo anyone who stayed with Plex after they required you to create an account is insane, especially considering there have always been good alternatives.
This exactly.
I looked into setting Plex up a few years ago. It installed, and then starts talking about making a cloud account. I don’t want to talk to a cloud I just want to organize my own shit on my own network. Why does that need a cloud?
I uninstalled it. Everything I’ve seen since, and I mean EVERYthing, tells me I dodged a bullet. Not once have I read an article that makes me wish I’d continued the install.
I have a Jellyfin server as backup, but its clients are shit for anything that uses subtitles. I bought plex pass years back for $80 on sale, can’t complain, but I’m never going to wholly rely on something closed source that requires online credentials.
I’ve never used Plex, but I have my own server at Hetzner with large drives and I love my Jellyfin server. I use it every day for shows, movies, and tons of music at home, in the metro, and walking around town and traveling. I’ve never had a problem with it. Honestly, it’s fantastic.
I can’t comment on Plex vs JellyFin, but it’s an interesting perspective that $3/mon for remote access is too much
I use another piece of opensource software, where I consider that a plus. It takes the headache and security issues off my hands, while I can support the developers with a small contribution for an optional feature
$3/mon is $36 a year. That adds up - most people have to work several hours to earn that money.
Plex may also be harvesting your data. When I used it years ago it was already trying to send logs back home, blocked by the firewall.
Plex may also be harvesting your data.
You mean to say “Plex is harvesting your data.”
I like to not legally commit myself
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“But my parents can’t use a VPN!!”
Was that line in the sand drawn before or after footing the bill, installing a media server, and an entire arr stack?
Their house is right there, bro.
If I could get Jellyfin to work remotely I would never use Plex again quite happily. I pay £4 a month and my in laws have to pay £2 a month for remote access, it’s starting to add up for content I download and host on my storage.
You just can’t securely watch anything from your jellyfin server remotely, or let others stream from your server.
The 20+ people who stream from my Plex server have never paid a cent because I have a Plex lifetime pass. In terms of value it’s one of the best purchases I’ve ever made.
Tried Jellyfin, lacked critical functionality, got Plex, was amazed and got a lifetime pass and never worried about it again
Critical functionality like what? I just switched to Jellyfin and hardly noticed a difference aside from a few different bugs.
Remote play……
Library sharing…,
Apps on everything….
You can do all that on JF. Apps are def available on most things.
If you really wanted to try to complain about it, you should complain about security, search speed and subtitle support.
Remote play you can’t unless you want to open your network up to the internet, which is a terrible idea, and even then most TVs and devices don’t have a JellyFin app.
Remote play you can’t unless you want to open your network up to the internet,
That’s absolutely wrong. You can remote proxy the same way they do, sure to the edge. you can open just the port and sandbox the container. There are ways.
and even then most TVs and devices don’t have a JellyFin app.
Almost every streaming device outside of TV’s are covered and many tv’s already support it. Every roku and android tv support it, along with most samsungs.
Tell me, are you guys getting paid by a plex PR firm or something, you all feel lots of ways about things with very little information and tons of white lies.
It’s a perennial thing with Jellyfin that it doesn’t have the app / remote access support Plex provides. By itself it’s a fully functional network media server, but by design it doesn’t have the ability to reverse tunnel and it doesn’t have the corporate infrastructure that gets it’s app onto devices.
Yes you can set up wireguard / VPN access. Yes there are workarounds that can get Jellyfin streaming to most devices.
None of that matters when trying to talk someone on the phone through connecting to your server through the internet.
Plex is an account, it looks like a streaming service, it requires zero knowledge. I’m fairly certain some of my relatives have no idea it’s streaming from a server in my basement. Jellyfin they have to trust you enough to setup separate other apps / configuration and have the patience / attention span / ability to follow directions to do so.
Reverse proxy to jellyfin looks identical to a normal streaming service from a user’s perspective.
It’s been a decade. That should be in JF by now.
Reverse proxy doesn’t fix their unprotected endpoints. It doesn’t give their clients 2fa, it doesn’t make their search work reasonably well or their music client be able to preload the next song.
They’re kind of stuck in a rut and are down to basic maintenance for releases
Jellyfin has plugins fro both LDAPand OIDC, though IIRC the OIDC one isn’t great.
Out of curiosity, what “critical functionality” was it lacking?
My media player is an ancient Chromecast 4k Ultra (yes, I hate google, but I also hate buying new things) and I can’t cast from Jellyfin.
Ohh! ohh! I have a wishlist!
- Finish the DB upgrade. The search is unusable on large collections, as a matter of fact, why not just go MySQL/PG?
- Protect ALL the endpoints if you’re not logged in.
- Include 2FA on server/clients
- Closed captioning still turns on in some clients if you have caption language->default instead of captions->default
- Add a failed login file so we can use the actual fail2ban instead of the static one that’s included.
- Release a full music api so we can control the playlist status from a client and preload the next song for crossfading without breaking the playlist.
- Put in hooks to properly support elasticsearch
- Clean up the plugin workflow, it’s confusing AF
- Better playlist support. The only way to bulk create a playlist is to generate m3u, but once you generate m3u, the client is unable to manage it. Either make a clean bulk playlist editor or have the editors be able to import and delete the m3us.
It’s not really about cost for me. Accounts in control of someone else and increased fees to use my own hardware can take a long walk off a short pier.
If only people applied these principles to all software…
I started selfhosting just because throwing cash on subscriptions at big corpos is not feasible since subs are increasing on a year-on-year basis. To my mind, if I’m going to self-host to yet again pay sub prices defeats the sole purpose of selfhosting.
That money you can pocket and invest in your own hardware for spare parts, upgrades & the like
You could also consider donating it to the projects you are hosting. Because developing that software still takes a lot of labour and these devs really need it
I was a big supporter of PLEX for a lot of years but I don’t want all the streaming options and ads and crap it was giving me. All I want is a solid media server application and Plex was no longer it.
JellyFin has been fantastic. I’ll never go back
I got Plex set up for my media server literally the day before they hiked the prices. I was weary about the $150 lifetime and couldn’t afford the new price when they changed it so I went to jellyfin.
Turns out jellyfin was everything I wanted and free. Bought 5 years worth of unlimited hosting and a domain name for less than a month of Plex and now I’m well on my way to a pirate media empire.
Just wish I had anyone other than my spouse to share if with… Or that I could figure out fucking MusicBrainz…
Hey I’m just learning about Jellyfin and have one question that maybe you have a take on.
How do we know that Jellyfin isn’t just one step behind Plex on the enshittification scale? Is it structurally different somehow? Open source or something?
There was a time when Plex was the bees knees and everyone loved it, and now they’re putting th screws to us. Why should we believe another group won’t do the same?
Everyone else has the real details, but from my very amateur perspective thee big part is that it’s not connected anywhere else and it’s open source. I have to have an account with Plex to use Plex, so no matter what I do I always have to have there permission to get in the building. Jellyfin runs on my own box and stores its files in that box. I even know the exact directory my account is in. If they decide to push an update that doesn’t jive with me, I just won’t update my machine. If it goes off the rails at any point, there’s at least thousands of jellyfin users that actually know what they’re doing and we’ll have a new jellyfin with black jack and hookers in less than a fortnight.
Jellyfin is FOSS. Taking a single step towards the Plex route will be going against the ethos of Jellyfin as a whole. It is community owned - rather than private, and if there are unethical practice’s involved, then people can and will jump ship forking the whole project at nearly 1:1 scale.
Because of the way jellyfin is built and the underlying philosophy. It can’t enshitify that easily as Plex - it will need a massive community effort to change it.
It is also useful to read on the history of jellyfin as it does highlight some useful pointers.
That’s all correct, but… we aren’t absolutely in the clear. JF could absolutely be forked, DB changes enacted, security added, but you also need all those client devs to come along.
It’s not quite like most Foss where a couple people could jump in and do a better job, JF has a LOT of moving parts supported by a number of individuals.
Also, Plex controls the login/authentication through their portal, and can also receive data back from your host regarding the content being shared/watched.
Jellyfin is 100% locally configured accounts
Jellyfin itself is Emby. Emby was owned by a company and it enshittified at the speed of light, and that’s when Jellyfin was born (by forking the last open source version of Emby).
In the time it took you to write this comment you could have gone to the Jellyfin website and read the first 12 words on the page:
The Free Software Media System
Jellyfin is the volunteer-built media solution
I’m never going to apologize for asking questions on Reddit or Lemmy. This is a place for talking to people. In the time it took you to chastise me you could have stuck your thumb up your ass 17 times.
Meanwhile, I got a perfectly good answer from someone else. Thanks for nothing.
I think it just shows you actually don’t care. I think some of the things you asked could be interesting if you had done any of your own reading first and had some context, but what you did instead was ask us to tell you what to think.
You can go do that on Reddit, or do you think that’s where you are now?
I quite like that people ask simple questions like this. Sure, it could have been looked up really quickly, but it adds to the overall thread here. People reading this with no prior knowledge can browse through the comments and absorb more information.
Gatekeeping lemmy. Classy.
Nah I was making fun of them for initially saying they wouldn’t apologize for asking questions on Reddit, when on Lemmy lmao
My bad I use 3rd party app clients for both Reddit and Lemmy and they look much alike.
It makes no difference though, because Lemmy is a place for talking to people too.
When you already know the answer it’s very easy to “ackshually” someone and tell them just how they could have googled it in a second.
But when you don’t know what you don’t know, it’s not so simple. For example: when my question is “how do we know Jellyfin will not eventually go down the path of enshittification as well?” It doesn’t occur to me to just start reading their homepage and see if I stumble into an answer. Excuuuuuuuse me.
Anyway…
But, my friend, it is in the article. We’re not hanging out chatting and the idea of Jellyfin came up. We’re in a discussion about the article. You showed up to the book club and asked us to tell you about the book because you didn’t read it.
As in you set it up outside your home server for only that? What’s the hard drive capacity there? Can you share a link to this offer?
I may not be using the right lingo, I mean I bought a domain set up a tunneling service so that I don’t have have to struggle with keeping it online or teaching the family to use VPNs and stuff. I just give them my website, tell them the account info, and it works on the jellyfin app.
Several years ago I was looking to set up a media server and initially grabbed Plex because I’d heard so much good about it at the time. The moment it asked me to create an account with Plex during setup and I discovered this wasn’t optional I immediately uninstalled it.
I remain baffled that anyone was okay with needing an externally managed account in order to use software running entirely on their own hardware, let alone the litany of additional enshittification that has happened since.
You clearly don’t understand why Plex requires an account then. Hint: it’s for the features that make it the most popular and best self hosted media server software on the market.
Their centralized login and services offer some pretty good upsides, that is, before the company started enshittifying the hell out of us.
Anyone you want to share your stuff with, they make an account, They see your server and your content. There are no ip’s, no ports, no configuration.
They handle a limited quality proxy, you’re users behind CGNat? They can still watch your content. Don’t want to open your firewall up? It still works for limited quality.
They cache TheMovieDB, being good neighbors.
They cache EPG, making live tvguide data work for people with tuners.
They provide you with a credible SSL. Your traffic is opaque to your ISP and your network.
They provide you with 2FA.
That said:
- You are the product
- Your users are the product
- What you watch is tracked
- What your users watch is tracked
- Their clients are not your friends.
That would be fine for an optional account if you want this features and the tradeoff that comes with it. Making it mandatory is bad.
I fully agree that what they did is openly bad. Just that it’s not for nothing.
When plex initially exploded in popularity, the alternatives required like manual xml config, constant babying the database, and generally barely worked.
Plex had apps on all the devices from wii to your phone and just worked. There was also lots of promises of privacy, you owning your data, segregating accounts to coordinating direct access, etc etc. It was almost a no brainer because there was no alternative that could deliver that experience.
Now is very different. The vibes at plex are very different, the world is a lot more hostile to privacy, and there are open source alternatives that get very close to the same experience.
So for a lot of people, yeah, plex doesn’t make sense anymore.
Yeah if I were starting now I’d be looking at jellyfin. But I paid the lifetime plex pass, and inertia/laziness what it is, so I haven’t found a reason to actually switch yet.
Neat idea, they don’t interfere with each other. Run both so that when plex finally fucks us over, we just stop using it.
I thought the same until I was bored one saturday afternoon and set up jellyfin as something to do. I haven’t taken my ples server offline only because I don’t want to help my users switch.
Same. I’m kinda half migrated running both but plex is convenient and (for me) still free.
Networking is a big aspect. I have almost 40 friends on plex, about 10 of them actively use my library. I also have access to 8 other plex servers in my circle. And I can put all the “latest added episodes” up on my homescreen with a few clicks.
With jellyfin I’d have to have at least 8 different accounts on 8 different instances.
And while the social aspect isn’t great, I found a few interesting people by looking at plex reviews of recently airing shows. Or just finding people through “friends of friends”.
There is a lot of things to be gained by having a central account and a connection beyond just very selective accounts on your own server, it really shouldn’t be that baffling.
Plex is a really nice app. And the people who really like it justify in their head the need for the external account. Some will twist up into a froth arguing the need for it.
I think some people may get too emotional over such matters. But if it works for them, carry on my frothy friends.
Truth is, 99% of people really don’t care.
