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now that’s initiative. and steam tags could hardly be much worse anyway

of course you’re right that a core feature of roguelikes is that each new game starts from scratch. it’s roguelite that is vague

this makes sense, appreciate the perspective

I like most games that fall into the category

same. but considering that, it’s still a bad name for a sub (sub sub) genre at best, not a top level one. your RPG and Action examples are quite right but it’s easy to imagine games as being e.g. action > beat-em-up > roguelike or RPG > TBT> roguelike. it’s the same level as isometric or coop imo

edit: you’ve helped me talk myself out of my own argument, now i want to spend all my money on combocore and get upset about the inevitable subsequent wave of combolikes

i think i agree with this which means i only dislike roguelite as a top level category (but see below). in your mario tennis example it might go something like

sports ¬ tennis ¬ arcade (as opposed to simulation)

a mario tennis where it would be practically impossible to win a randomly generated tournament without grinding out some progression would be

sports ¬ tennis ¬ roguelite

so it seems to me like roguelite is less useful as a genre rather than just being descriptive of a feature i suppose

agree re roguelikes but roguelite seems far too broad to work as a genre? like if there was a ‘combos’ genre that included blazblue, bayonetta, and bejeweled

most-played roguelike/roguelite

hit action roguelike The Binding of Isaac

highly acclaimed roguelite and roguelike games, such as Hades, Vampire Survivors, and Balatro

i’ll accept that roguelite means fuck all except ‘has meta progression’ but none of the games mentioned in this article are roguelikes

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-gta2 manual

blah blah you get idea